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And Patricia wasnt all edges. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? "I want to apologize personally for the fact that my husband wasn't a strong enough human being to admit his wrongs and be able to take his rightful punishment willingly," she said. I noticed quite a few errors myself. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. Patricia The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. She was falsely convicted of killing her husband when the Los Angeles Police Department reopened a 17-year-old cold case after coercing two witnesses to tape a confession pegging Patricia Wright and family friend Lawrence Slaughter as the killers. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. "Most of the community feels bad for the child To see that in the United States bugs me. Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. The trial was taking so much of my time. A man was convicted Thursday of helping to hide a brother who was accused of murdering his teenage daughters in Irving more than 12 years ago, the U.S. Attorneys Office announced. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. But let me say in my defence, I have not attacked anyone on this particular site with outright rudeness, to which you allude, albeit some of them deserved a retort of some substance. Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. I cant lose them, he told the media. The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. Shes just extremely happy with Andy, her brother, Michael OConnor, told the media. Flawed justice: the wrongful conviction of Kerry Baxter Sr. She embraced spontaneity and diligence. After 30 minutes Id be calling someone! I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania. But her reputation wasnt exactly sleek and shiny. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. I hope she rots in hell. WoW! And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. Patricia is a evil monster. "This was not a sudden or impetuous act on your part. They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together. I attack only those whove considered themselves not only judges on this case, but go on to vent their spleen aimed at a person who in my opinion is innocent of this crime, based on all Ive read and watched without fear of retaliation If they so freely attack someone in the most vicious way, why should they be off limits? Patricia seemed like the girl next door but all of a sudden, something snapped, Katrinak later told Wrong Man investigators. The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. Media galore. Marcelin said the detectives, referring to Patricia Wright, asked, Dont you want that [expletive] off the street?. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded.. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. Remember, killers have the advantage over investigators. More likely it reflects a relative reluctance to execute females as well as the pendency of what will be the last episode of DNA investigation. Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty Thursday to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000. Sorry not sorry. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. The couple was not allowed to have contact during court proceedings. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. The woman who was showing the home alleged that Patricia was involved in the theft. She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh SHAME ON THEM. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. She hadn't lived long enough.". On Alexs diaper bag, police found strands of the same type of hair from the car. If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. Police theorize she owned the gun, but its neither here nor there whether she used a particular gun to kill and would make sense (to a wise perp) that the gun couldnt be linked to her by past activity. Why isn't Patricia "Tissie" Said in jail for her role in this "honor They also presented an email from the girls to one of their teachers prior to the murder saying they feared their father would kill them. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. By signing up you agree to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, Stand with us in our mission to discover and uncover the story of North Texas, Jury convicts man who harbored fugitive brother accused of killing teen daughters in Irving in 2008, Irving man admits to harboring fugitive father accused of murdering teenage daughters, A day after powerful thunderstorms, North Texas surveys the damage, 3 children killed, 2 wounded at Ellis County home; suspect in custody, How a Texas districts reaction to school shooting fears highlights discipline concerns, Carrollton man advertised pills on social media to entice teens to buy fentanyl, feds say. However, Said never called 911. Patricia Rorrer: An Update Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. If you want to help her tell her to ask God for forgiveness. Follow her on Twitter at www.twitter.com/LizMurraySMC. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. Stop it.. Just one example. Claps! The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. In 1981, Patricia Wrights second husband, Willie Jerome Scott, was found stabbed to death in his mobile home park in Los Angeles. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. Allen and Patricia Prue were arrested two days after Jenkins' death. All that remains is the conclusion of an appeal that Prue's husband Allen Prue has made to the Vermont Supreme Court following his October conviction in Jenkins' murder. The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. And she called 911. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. 'He's going to be in a better place': Florida mom charged with the I really never thought of it again.. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? Just saying. Flaw in reasoning. Keep up your delusions. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. in emerging media and communication from the University of Texas at Dallas and an M.S. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. You murdered your girls," she said. How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. A federal jury found Yassein Abdulfatah Said, 59, guilty on one count of conspiracy to conceal a person from arrest, one count of concealing a person from arrest and one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. Ls HUe7C22R>_%m~e5?h WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, so Said was automatically sentenced to life in prison with no parole. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. Emailus. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? Traupman died in 2016. . To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. Patricia Mr. Said harbored his father, Yaser, inside an apartment in Bedford, Texas, where a maintenance worker spotted Yaser on Aug. 14, 2017. Ex-wife slams devil Texas father Yaser Said over honor killings of Entries in Patricia Prue's journal included vague descriptions of a joint fantasy that she and Allen Prue shared and were looking to fulfill. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. Said Both wanted to be doctors. The evidence was all there. WebPatricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. Black said she was glad Said took the witness stand, giving her the chance to poke holes in his story, exposing him to everyone who has been watching this case. "The family has been very patient. Blasczyk said she escaped from East Germany as a teenager when the country was under Communist leadership. There is way too much doubt in this case for my comfort. Before Said was taken away, he heard two victim impact statements. The case was eventually abandoned. Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. Probably by the jeans and the boots. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. I think we need to realize that each dollar we spend or don't spend could have a serious impact on our society and our safety.". I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. Said Great communicator. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. The womans disappearance became a missing person case with the Ross Township Police Department that sat on the shelf, lacking progress, for decades. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). Marissa Suarez, in the matching brown hat and scarf, and Patricia Todisco, in the darker hat, are seen inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 (images via FBI court filing). And the obvious answer is not as you claim. I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? And last but not least, the fact that Michael McIntyre comes across as mentally unstable. Have a tip we should know? Yassein and Islam Said face up to 30 years in federal prison. Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. Her husband, Mark McCloskey, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor fourth degree assault and was fined $750. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. We didnt expect it. They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. Patricia 'The Sparrow' Kopta found alive after decades Together they had a baby girl, Nicole. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. Cold case: Rape kits from two women lead to arrest in 1979 South Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. (Ross Township Police Department). All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. How so? Said's defense attorney said he will be filing a notice to appeal. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. Yassein Saids sentencing has been set for June 4. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. Lie detectors are pseudo science. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. Patrica Owens, Yaser Said's ex-wife, testified before the jury Thursday morning and said why she fled her home with her daughters only to return days before they were When she was there, she refused to discuss her private life or where she came from.. . Thats my life.. Patricia Kopta appears in two photos, spaced some 31 years apart, after being discovered alive in Puerto Rico after being declared dead. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Weak wages. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. Warren, who was tearful at the end of the hearing, said she is pleased with the outcome of the case, and that her office was only waiting on the outcome of Allen Prue's appeal. He jumped at the opportunity with the understanding that the emphasis would be on Lawrence Slaughter and not his sister. They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. Or did they? "You knew how the Have you read the book? It was just assumed to be crib death. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? Patricia Rorrer was a cold woman. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. We've received your submission. She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. And this doesnt apply to your opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. They dont need to make money??? Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. Stable situation. Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. Very similar. The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. You, however, consider your ill-informed opinion superior to them not only that, you then go to great lengths to belittle them. Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. Crystal Carter is a Bay Area-based reporting fellow with the Center for Media, Crime and Justice in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York (CUNY). Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? She is the one who tricked them, first by WebShe is as guilty as her husbandshe KNEW that her husband would kill these girlsshe even STATED that he would kill the girlsand yet she lied to them to get them to return to Texas Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. Nataly Keomoungkhoun, Engagement/Breaking News reporter. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. 5 years prior to all this happening! WOW JUST WOW PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND BY ALL THIS. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. They broke up in 1993. She was wrongfully convicted.. Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. False. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. "You knew how the abduction would end," Bent said. Was Amina Said Mother Patricia Owens Said Charged With Murder?

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